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| by From the wires |
2005-07-01 12:37 PM +0800 |
According to activist sources: the action was "exactly like the incident at Curtin in 2002 when we blockaded him in the building and surrounded his car and got pepper-sprayed - same level of militancy. I think we were all amped from the union rally... but instead of pepper-spray, they attacked with horses this time. We had a few injuries on our side (I was centimetres away from being trampled - though admittedly, I lay myself in front of the horses thinking this would halt their advance... it didn't though; they just kept going!), and they arrested one of the co-ordinators... We called in the media, but fucking ABC painted the students as violent..."
[cheers to m and co]
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I smell bullshit |
| by Bullshit Detector |
2005-07-01 3:28 PM +0800 |
"As Nelson tried to leave, ... a crowd of protesters who were gathered outside refused to let him through".
"Protester Ricky Hendon says the students had organised a peaceful protest".
Well, which was it?
Did they refuse to let him through or was it a peaceful protest? You can't "refuse to let anyone through" without actual or implied use of force (eg a blockade). Otherwise there would be no impediment to their passage.
Get your facts right then give us the FULL story, dick wad.
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Must be your own stench mate |
| by Troll Detector |
2005-07-01 4:54 PM +0800 |
Blockading is not violent. Standing still is peaceful. It was peaceful until the Police Horses began trampling people.
The info above is from news.com and the abc.net. Go ask them.
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DISSENT! |
| by Observer |
2005-07-01 5:24 PM +0800 |
To be precise, Nelson and his team of goons forced THEIR way INTO the crowd, pushing directly, forcibly into the crowd - backed by police horses and police thugs.
If you ask me he should sack his security team for fucking up. Why the hell would you charge into a crowd, when there's several other exits out of the building.
Dickheads. The cops made this violent - NOT the students.
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Brendan Nelson runs for cover at ECU |
| by Br Steve Spain |
2005-07-01 10:39 PM +0800 |
Was wondering what your readers/supporters thought of calling the minister for police to outline to the public, what she thinks is appropriate for peaceful protests and bring the debate out into the public arena?
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More info |
| by Bullshit Detector |
2005-07-02 8:40 AM +0800 |
Blockading is a use of force. You reckon the US air blockade of northern Iraq wasn't a use of force, numb skull? Even if no shots are fired (or punches thrown) the mere presence of a blockade is not peaceful. It is saying, in effect, "If you try to cross this line, I will use force to stop you".
Standing still IS peaceful. Standing still with arms linked is NOT. If you want to be genuinely peaceful (which I know you do not) next time you have a protest, just stand still (without arms linked) and sing Kumbaya.
Dipshit.
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Troll Detected |
| by Troll Analysis Unit |
2005-07-02 1:33 PM +0800 |
Fair enough there. But of course, violence is in the mind of the beholder. Police horses treading on people could also be explained as non-violent. Meaning is relevant to perception. But remember, you cannot have a true concept of the situation if you weren't there.
I wonder if you think graffiti is violent.
Peace brother.
:)
NO VSU!
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Yeah yeah Troll Analysis Unit |
| by Typical |
2005-07-02 6:01 PM +0800 |
You have been shown up to be a dick so YOU adopt classic TROLL like behaviour.
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Typical |
| by Troll Analysis Unit |
2005-07-02 11:08 PM +0800 |
It was clearly a peaceful protest until the security forced their way into the crowd. ie the Police/Security were violent.
You havent shown me to be a "dick" at all. Your definition of violence is the "dick" statement of the century!
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Dick troll tries to draw me into a fight |
| by Typical |
2005-07-03 9:22 AM +0800 |
The troll analysis unit has become a troll himself.
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Just when you thought the last fuckwit had left... |
| by Bullshit Detector |
2005-07-05 5:09 PM +0800 |
But Observer, From the Wires tells it differently. He/she says they surrounded Nelson's car in similar style to a protest three years ago. That isn't peaceful protest, my intellectualy stunted friend. It's false imprisonment by force.
I think all of you fuckwits need to get your lies (er...stories) straight before telling any more transparent untruths.
Dickheads.
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More Ad Hominems from our trolling friend |
| by Troll Analysis Unit |
2005-07-05 5:24 PM +0800 |
So because nobody bites your trolling, you go back up the thread and pick on someone else.
The reference to the 2002 protest once again shows how the police, as protectors of the elite, are prepared to be violent to those who dissent peacefully. Bear in mind, there are as many versions of an event as there were people there.
For my mind, the protest was peaceful until the Police charged at the group with Police horses and batons. Dr Nelson was quite able to leave via other exits.
Sure you can disagree from afar, but the point is YOU WERE NOT THERE! And arguing by namecalling is pretty petty.
All you seem to be good at is slinging shit on people by childish name-calling. Contribute some media or go somewhere else.
Get over it.
Peace and love to you my brother.
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OK |
| by Bullshit Detector |
2005-07-05 8:02 PM +0800 |
Yes, you are right. I CAN disagree from afar. Just as activists here express opinions about protestors at the G8 meeting, even though they are not there themselves. They are relying on what others write to form their views about what is going on.
As I have done.
Based on what I have read, I have formed the belief that the protestors at ECU were NOTt interested in peaceful protest. They wanted a confrontation with the police by interfering with Nelson's movements. They knew what the outcome would be and they provoked it.
As Brother Steve is quoted as saying, 'The people actually held off their protest to allow the children to do their performance and for the Aboriginal peoples inside to have their cultural moment."
Held off their protest.
People don't hold off a PEACEFUL protest. They hold off doing something proactive which has a trigger point.
Like blocking someone else's movements. That's not peaceful, for the reasons I have outlined above.
Peace and love to you too. And it's 'sister', by the way.
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Like pulling out teeth |
| by Observer |
2005-07-05 10:08 PM +0800 |
The students, opposed to Nelson's harsh, offensive and damaging policy VSU, wanted to stage a protest that Dr Nelson would take notice of. We know he'd be at ECU on Thursday - so thats why the action was there.
What better way to achieve this than by attending the site of his appearance? He is not often in WA and its a good chance to disrupt his movements. Note the use of my term "disrupt". This does not necessarily mean Violent. It means Disrupt. Yeah blocking someones movements is not the same as staying in bed. But it is also a tactic of NVDA - Non Violent Direct Action.
Crew rocked up to greet the Minister at 4pm, waited for him to finish his duties, and respected the gathering inside the venue. When he finally exited people made their presence felt. The group did not want to interfere with his affairs too much.
What you are calling "violent" is perhaps whats at stake here. And everyone has their own version of what that is. You probably think getting out of bed is disruptive! Sorry a bit twee of me but how far does one go?
But you really are going to elaborate lengths to paint a picture of violent protesters, when its the Police with batons, guns and horses who inflict the damage.
Nelson and his goons made the choice to push elbows first into the small and peaceful group. This could have been avoided if Nelson and the Security force had left by another exit - which he eventually did.
"The people actually held off their protest" because Dr Nelson was the target. Not because violence was afoot. There was no-one to hassle until the Minister appeared. Should protesters just complain to the horses and dozens of cops?
The student union Labor hack was pushed to the ground by a police horse and arrested for falling over! The police went too far. As they usually do.
Good on all the crew who attended, and thanks for showing such restraint.
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Ha Ha Ha some Troll Analysis Unit you are |
| by Typical |
2005-07-06 8:35 AM +0800 |
"So because nobody bites your trolling, you go back up the thread and pick on someone else."
Unable to spot that their are two different people responding to this thread...... one male (me) and one female.
Keep up the good work!
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Oh Well |
| by Troll Analysis Unit |
2005-07-06 9:22 AM +0800 |
Gee. Thanks for the heads up. In future I will analyse posts for gender.
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But why bother |
| by Typical |
2005-07-06 9:53 AM +0800 |
Why feed the trolls by replying?
Do you think Indymedia readers are to stupid to recognise trolling?
That they need you to point out who is trolling and who isn't.
You are the worst kind of troll. One who acts troll like in every way but adopts a stupid "anti troll" moral stance.
Hypocrite.
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wtf |
| by crazy john |
2005-07-06 11:31 AM +0800 |
For 'troll' say 'one whose opinions differ from the majority'.
Something which cannot be tolerated.
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Something which cannot be tolerated. |
| by Troll |
2005-07-06 11:51 AM +0800 |
Disagreeing with the Perth Indy Mafia
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Pointless spiteful posts are little more than Trolls |
| by some perth indy fella |
2005-07-06 12:34 PM +0800 |
Hi,
Thankyou to the people who take the time and energy to REPORT on Perth activism. Its excellent that we have people around to tell the stories of the global/local strggle against oppression. Rarely is an activist's point of view given the light of day on the corporate media mainstream.
The "trolls" here use Ad Hominem fallacious arguments, calling Dickheads and Dickwads, Fuckwits etc.
Its fine to comment on these reports and even to present counter arguments. And great to people responding.
However what most people do is call people names. And turn the article and its thread into a waste of space...
Cheers
z
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Whats that? |
| by Troll |
2005-07-06 12:57 PM +0800 |
You dont like name calling?
Are u aware of the work of "Troll Detector" & "Troll Analysis unit".
They aren't hardworking, struggling, non trolling perth activists are they?
Just trolls who have gone to ground or prehaps taking the high moral ground huh?
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zzzzz |
| by Troll Killer Collective |
2005-07-06 1:33 PM +0800 |
Calm down mate. Remember that arguing on the internet is like winning the Special Olymics. Even if you win the race you're still a retard! :)
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Funny |
| by |
2005-07-06 3:51 PM +0800 |
Perth Indymedia = Special Olympics
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in my observation |
| by old hand |
2005-07-06 4:59 PM +0800 |
Trolling = Wierd and lonely past time.
If you guys don't like the place, why post here?
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And observation is the foundation of education |
| by Special Olympian |
2005-07-06 6:05 PM +0800 |
Who said that us trolls didnt like this site?
I have always found that people who give themselves arrogant and haughty nicks like "old hand" in some attempt to appear measured and worldly are usually wierd and lonely actually.
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Troll: |
| by Indymedia Troll Killer #5 |
2005-07-06 11:10 PM +0800 |
Quick to dis the admirable efforts of the indy hacks - yet unable to contribute activist media. The idea of Indymedia is to produce media independent from the corporate/government spin of everyday poo.
Please instead of having these moronic troll competitions - MAKE AND DISTRIBUTE YOUR MEDIA!!!
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No I don't want to |
| by Troll |
2005-07-07 7:37 AM +0800 |
If you dont like it go somewhere else
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repect |
| by aniMAL |
2005-07-08 11:42 AM +0800 |
: )
No such fun and games up here in Darwin...
Had the luxury of being pepper spayed last time perthites played proper with nelson in 02, i like playing with horses moreso, respect to those involved though not to the trollers in this thread...
Peace
MAL
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