Music Industry is the Record Companies |
| by Mouse |
2005-01-03 11:59 AM +0800 |
If you speak to a lot of musicians, they love file sharing. Music business is shocking. bring on iStore
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| by robotnik |
2005-01-03 12:03 PM +0800 |
Absolutely.
Courtney love once wrote an excelent piece on how the music industry fucks musicians and how many musicians support file sharing but get silenced on the issue by the record companies.
I cant afford to get my stuff pressed, publicised and distributed to all the big record shops. But I can upload it to kazaa and some web sites and tell people to look out for it.
Best thing is, if folks like it, they'll come to a gig or something.
I've infact *NEVER* met a musician that was opposed to it.
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What makes you think the big record shops would want to stock your music? |
| by Cuddles |
2005-01-04 9:21 AM +0800 |
I was intrigued with your comment...
"I cant afford to get my stuff pressed, publicised and distributed to all the big record shops."
Has your music got any commercial value?
Surely if it did you would be able to get it into the "big record shops" either via a record contract with a label or by someone else who has faith in your music, who could finance the pressing, publicising and distribution hurdles you currently face.
Lets see what the Indymedia readers thinks. Is it good? Is it crap? Has it got commercial value?
What should we search for on kazza?
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good art = not relevant |
| by anti_commodity alliance |
2005-01-04 12:12 PM +0800 |
Not everybody wants to make music/art for the masses - and for good reason. [let alone the cookie-cutter rubbish we get all day on the commercial radio stations]
1. if you sign a record contract you become completey endebted to the company until the contract expires - mostly 3-5 years.
2. your freedom to further expand your own style is restricted, discouraged and threatened by the addiction to profit.
3. the costs involved with the production, marketing etc become YOUR debt. You have to pay it all back...
I know several artists who regret getting involved with Sony and other big labels. Whist they may get to tour their product, they are still on the dole.
Music is nothing more than commodity. Unless you deny the "commercial" values of art. Fuck putting value on creative expression...
With the low price of CDRs, the ease of bedroom electro gear, access to distribution via the web etc - cost is virtually redundant in 2004. Fuck shit up and ignore the mainstream.
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| by Robotnik |
2005-01-04 3:29 PM +0800 |
Cuddles. look up robotnik in the archives.
However to answer your question. Commercial value? Maybe. Who cares really.
Some of it might appeal to jane punter. Some of it is probably mystifying.
But do indymedia readers like it? Why am I supposed to care? This place doesnt seem to be about competition I dont think. Thats the appeal of the artswire here. Its a reviewer free zone. Which is a huge fucking relief.
Zappa had a quote about music reviewers; "Music reviewers are people who cant write writing reviews about bands who cant play for people who cant listen."
Thank godess for the arts wire.
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more zappa magic |
| by al |
2005-01-04 3:46 PM +0800 |
Zappa also said "writing about music is like dancing about architecture..."
Theres nothing intrinsicly wrong with writing music reviews though. It just depends on the motives, and the desired audience...
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the music biz in the eyes of a writer |
| by Ray |
2005-01-04 4:53 PM +0800 |
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST
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the reviewer in the eyes of the (song)writer |
| by Mouse |
2005-01-05 1:08 AM +0800 |
Yes yes. There are two distinct areas of music; 1. the business - where albums can go platinum just by pressing, not by selling; and 2. the music - where ideas are generated until (sometimes many years later) being taken up by the business.
Where the two meet is on the fringes, places like public radio, independent record stores, file sharing, mix tapes for your mates...
Being "commercially succesful" can actually leave you tens of thousands of dollars in debt as the record company swoons you with your own expense account...
As most readers here probably know, it is really the record companies who have the most to lose from a system of fresh ideas and constant new music. No formula crud filling the mega stores with if we all opened our ears!
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| by mc robotnik |
2005-01-05 1:29 AM +0800 |
Totally. A mate of mine was in a band, I'll best not mention, but where JJJ faves for a couple of years and moved to melbourne.
They copped a deal with Roadrunner and basically had more money spent on them than theyd ever likely recoup. Make up artists, clothing designers, fuckingly expensive video clips. The whole kit.
The band sounded great, got top reviews, had a loyal local fanbase (Even the Xpress gold club forgave them the silly clothes they where now wearing) and even a few stalker type manic fans.
And heres the crunch. After 2 top selling albums , x amount of tours, card board cut outs of em in record shops and the whole bit, they ended up in about 100,000k debt to the record company.
What other industry charges its staff to work?
The music industry is a scam and needs to be eliminated.
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Just had a listen |
| by anonymous |
2005-01-05 6:52 AM +0800 |
I could tell you what else needs to be eliminated.
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Independant |
| by net_paw |
2005-01-05 9:18 AM +0800 |
Go John Butler !
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Buzz, viral, urbogration, and womers (word of mouthers). |
| by Cuddles |
2005-01-06 4:32 PM +0800 |
All terms used by sales and marketing outfits to describe the way they and the agents they use describe themselves in their goal to manufacture hype for a product not yet on the market.
I was thinking about the statement.... "the business - where albums can go platinum just by pressing, not by selling;"
Gee do you even have to press them?
I was recently reading that the unfinished therefore unprinted and unreleased next Harry Potter installment had made number one on book sale charts due to forward orders from book stores.
Millions generated off the plan. Like high rise property sold before it's built. Nothing more than a promise.
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Cuddles talks sense! |
| by Mouse |
2005-01-06 4:52 PM +0800 |
And that is why the property boom went ka-boom in sydney and melbourne!
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Though |
| by Mouse |
2005-01-06 4:54 PM +0800 |
That is sales, not presses and sitting in warehouses or sold on the US market real cheap (as had happened to some poor old bands...)
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